is there an astrologer in the house?

[arethinn]

I was reading this thing on the Cauldron Farm website about an astrological component called the "final significator", which is basically the planet in your chart that following connections of the other planets and their ruling signs winds up pointing to. In my case, this works out to Venus, which is in Libra in my chart. For added flavour, it happens to be conjunct with Pluto and Mars, and the whole mess opposite to the Moon in Taurus (Mars is a little less directly opposite than Venus and Pluto, but I think it's still within tolerance). Can anyone tell me more about what having Venus in Libra would mean as a "final significator"?

Also, is does anyone know of a free chart calculation site that includes the asteroids as well? This essay about finding Pallas in prominent and interesting places in the charts of transgendered people that the author knew was interesting, and makes me wonder where it might be in my own. (It also makes me wonder if there might be a similar "species-bender" in otherkin charts, hehe.)

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[illuviel.livejournal.com]

Thanks for bringing this stuff back to my attention.

http://www.astro.com

has free charts; go to 'extended chart selection' to add asteroids.

Venus in Libra. Bein' a Libra native, lemme see if I can interpret a little. It appreciates pretty: asethetically pleasing, symmetrical, fitting, harmonious matter to you as much if not more than things being right. If something is ugly or upsetting, it will get quelled. Partnership is very important. Libra's into "we", not "I". Looking for approval from outside sources is a Libra / Venusian failing. "Does this dress make me look fat?" (Am I within cultural norms? Will people like me if I'm X? Am I X enough?)

As a final significator, I'd see it as a facilitator, as a go-between who doesn't want to ruffle feathers, but neither will allow the boat to be rocked too greatly. The parent who says "Play nice." or "Parents don't want justice; they want quiet" -- Bill Cosby, possibly paraphrased. and who will say and do some rather nasty things to ensure that 'nice' from time to time.

The choice made will be that which appeals aesthetically, harmoniously.


Lluvi,

whose final significator is most probably Moon in Cancer, as Pluto in Virgo dithers a little too much (all roads lead to Pluto, which leads back to Mercury, which leads to Venus, which leads to Pluto, which ...)

and whose Pallas is conjunct north node, trine Sun and Mercury, square Venus and Neptune (and directly biquintile the Moon whatever that means) -- as one who sees 'fey' as a gender as much as anything else, this makes sense. I haven't gotten back with Raven on this; I need to write him again for another conversation we're having, and should add this in as a by the way.

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

If something is ugly or upsetting, it will get quelled. Partnership is very important. Libra's into "we", not "I". Looking for approval from outside sources is a Libra / Venusian failing.

Like, no shitski. And I want everyone to always be absolutely equal. Yet I still have to be queen of everything (Sun in Virgo is only 35 minutes in my case, not even a fill degree, so there's a lot of lingering Leo), so I usually solve this dissonance by wanting everyone to be equally kings/queens. Which loses the sense of the word, really, but I don't seem troubled by that paradox. It's just what I want. Heh.

In my case most roads lead to Venus, and then there's the Whispering Knights of Sun, Mercury, Saturn and Node, who are criticizing from the corner of Virgo and Leo. (Sun, Node and Saturn in Virgo all point to Mercury, Mercury in Leo points back to Sun.) They're the ones who are going "you just think you want attention. When they get you in that spotlight, they're all going to throw tomatoes." I'm deathly afraid of being made fun of and usually I let the Knights win the decision, actually. Which causes a lot of anguish because I still want the beauty of equality and equality of beauty, and I just can never be as good as anyone else. :p

Hmm... Pallas seems to be roughly conjunct (8 degrees) with Neptune in Sagittarius, but not conjunct enough that it says "conjunction". It's square Saturn. I don't think this is a particularly prominent bit of rock, for me. Ah well. Gender issues go unexplained. ;-)

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

Addendum: Although Pallas square Saturn (and Saturn in Virgo, at that) could say something about why I'm so incredibly self-critical and unbelieving WRT: being other than human...

[illuviel.livejournal.com]

Erm. Could be?

I haven't quite come out and said, "Hey, Raven, I'm fey," but he mentions in his wanderwalk of the Nine Worlds (in the Alfheim bits) that he knows some Otherkin folks, so is open to the concept.

Maybe he could help us find some sort o linkageness (though maybe it's like a blood test for midichlorians to find how strong in the Force someone is - utterly whack plot device that ultimately serves no purpose save ticking people off); He'd be someone to bring in as an advisor on my/the long-langushing *Kin Astrology project.

[illuviel.livejournal.com]

I like the storyplay you've built from this.

And the Libra fairness equality bit; yup.

I think there's a story in this. It may not be the most accurate of interpretations, but here goes.

The Pallas / Jupiter conjunction(Close enough that they always know where each other is, but not close enough to smother or show outward 'affection'... effect?) vs. the square with Saturn. There's a roadblock. Pallas identifies with expansion, exploration, spiritual growth, travel, luck, excess, free-wheelingness. Those feelings are at odds Saturn's sensibility, limitation, logic, order. This could defnitely be a source of the pull toward yet self-doubt wrt other-than-humanness.

I don't know where in your chart those are played out (which houses) or what's going on in the rest of it ... if Jupiter or Saturn is more prominently placed. Is there another planet (drive) that plays well with both who can help out as an intermediary, a way to resolve the issues between embrace/expansion and denial?

Musing over here. Does any of this make sense / feel applicable to you?

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

Erm. Could be?

It just seems to me that even though Saturn is the lesser malefic, that having it in Virgo isn't a terribly... harmonious... place to have it, and if you're going to have aspects to it in that sign, that square is not a terribly pleasant aspect to have! ^_^

mentions in his wanderwalk ... that he knows some Otherkin folks

Yeah, that piqued my interest too. Makes me curious who he's familiar with, kinda, in the slightly crawly way that I got when I met Orion Foxwood and thought "hey, we both know Rialian". Like I wonder if I might not be separated by only a degree or two.

I didn't know you had an actual coherent project about it, but although the subject has come up multiple times in multiple places, I don't think anyone's found a single interesting correspondence or linking factor yet. Maybe not enough detailed data was being given, since a lot of people don't know much beyond moon and ascendant if they know beyond sun at all, and getting into aspects and houses is too much for a lot of people.

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

Um, Pallas/Neptune, you mean? (Jupiter is off by itself in Cancer)

Saturn, along with Sun and Node, is in the 7th house. Neptune is in the 10th. I'm not sure which is more prominent. Neptune appears to be sextile my fancy Mars/Venus/Pluto thing. Saturn is conjunct the Sun.

Blerg. I don't have all my aspects written out handy, and the table below the main chart from astro.com graph is just too damn small to actually see the symbols on. (alabe.com doesn't do aspects. bother.)

[illuviel.livejournal.com]

Yeah, duh, neptune.

So make that, "the mysterious, glamourous, hidden, veiled, spiritual, deep, expansive in a down the rabbit hole sort of way".

Lluvi, should really double check things some times.

[starlightforest.livejournal.com]

Saturn vs. glamour, round one, FIGHT! ^_^