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So apparently LJ's answer on the whole privacy problem inherent in letting people crosspost screened comments and comments on locked posts is to turn it off for non-Cyrillic but leave it on for Cyrillic users. Since anyone can opt into "Cyrillic services" at any time, this is really no fix at all.
I understand (sort of) that LJ was/is used very differently in Russia and all, but that's one of the things that made the alliance with SUP so unholy beyond even the dreams of 6A - the segments of users are different enough that they can have mutually incompatible needs, and you wind up forcing something considered hateful onto one part to please the other. Maybe they feel that's where their bread is buttered and the opinions of the dissenters don't really matter (I was disturbed but not very surprised when I learned that SUP's CEO or whoever it was has considerable stock in Facebook and Twitter), but still it feels like trying to join up two things that were too different in character to be joined.
I understand (sort of) that LJ was/is used very differently in Russia and all, but that's one of the things that made the alliance with SUP so unholy beyond even the dreams of 6A - the segments of users are different enough that they can have mutually incompatible needs, and you wind up forcing something considered hateful onto one part to please the other. Maybe they feel that's where their bread is buttered and the opinions of the dissenters don't really matter (I was disturbed but not very surprised when I learned that SUP's CEO or whoever it was has considerable stock in Facebook and Twitter), but still it feels like trying to join up two things that were too different in character to be joined.
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Date: Sep. 21st, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: Sep. 21st, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:14 pm (UTC)From:1) Comment on a friends-locked entry.
2) Manually copy and paste material from that friends-locked entry into his comment.
3) Manually check the crosspost comment to facebook checkbox.
The potential for abuse is created entirely by #2, since you can do the same thing just by manually copying material from a friend's locked entry, and posting it directly onto facebook. The pingback feature perhaps makes this very slightly easier, but it also makes legitimate crossposting far easier. Which basically means the complaint really isn't about crossposting at all, but about the existence of copy-and-paste functionality on computers which seems a bit beyond LJ's control.
The argument that it somehow increases the chance of it being done accidentally seems a bit off base, since not one but two separate manual steps are required. Just having it set to pingback by default does not cover crossposting comments to friends-locked entries, you have to do those by hand.
So far, the best argument I've seen against it is the one you made about the icons being included, but that seems to me like it's an even more fringe case... for it to be a problem:
1) You'd have to have an identifiable icon of yourself on an account you didn't want people to know about. I'd hope most people don't do that, since a complete listing of user-icons on an account is visible to everyone, without even having to log in.
2) All of your posts using that icon would have to be friends-only to start with.
3) The people you don't want knowing about your account would have to be friends with people you do want knowing about your account.
4) The specific friends of yours who are friends with those people would have to have them friended on Facebook.
5) The specific friends of yours who are friends with them would have to manually click crosspost on their comment in your friends-locked entry.
I can't imagine that's a case that really happens to many users. So I'm honestly shocked that with a case against the feature that's so thin, sheer emotional backlash has pushed LJ to even move this feature to Cyrillic services status.
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Date: Sep. 22nd, 2010 06:00 pm (UTC)From:2) Manually copy and paste material from that friends-locked entry into his comment.
3) Manually check the crosspost comment to facebook checkbox.
Not necessarily #2; even a non-quoting comment can be a problem, and crossposting a screened comment (which in a sense doesn't exist yet) is Not On.
#3 can be done by mistake; many people would rather they could control the possibility of this occurring on their own journals, rather than leaving it up to the good will and/or intelligence of the commenter (or having to rearrange who they have friended to prevent it, which means not reading those people anymore).
It's true that you can do the same thing with manual copy and paste (which has always been the case), but that takes a very deliberate effort, and it is not legitimized by the presence of an easy option in the software to allow you to do so.
4) The specific friends of yours who are friends with those people would have to have them friended on Facebook.
Also not necessarily. Once the comment has gotten out to Facebook, that user's privacy settings apply - and if they have their FB account very open, a comment which perhaps should have only been seen by a very few (I have one filter which is a grand total of 2 people other than myself) may in effect get exposed to the entire Internet. And that information isn't even that sensitive - just stuff I'd rather most people didn't know. What if I were talking about an STD I had, or an abusive ex-partner...