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The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, from a letter to his son Michael Tolkien ca. October 1968:
The 'protestant' search backwards for 'simplicity' and directness -- which, of course, though it contains some good or at least intelligible motives, is mistaken and indeed vain. Because 'primitive Christianity' is now and in spite of all 'research' will ever remain largely unknown; because 'primitiveness' is no guarantee of value, and is and was in great part a reflection of ignorance. ... Still more because 'my church' was not intended by Our Lord to be static or remain in perpetual childhood; but to be a living organism (likened to a plant), which develops and changes in externals by the interaction of its bequeathed divine life and history -- the particular circumstances of the world into which it is set. There is no resemblance between the 'mustard-seed' and the full-grown tree. For those living in the days of its branching growth the Tree is the thing, for the history of a living thing is part of its life, and the history of a divine thing is sacred. The wise may know that it began with a seed, but it is vain to try and dig it up, for it no longer exists, and the virtue and powers that it had now reside in the Tree. Very good: but in husbandry the authorities, the keepers of the Tree, must look after it, according to such wisdom as they possess, prune it, remove cankers, rid it of parasites, and so forth. ... But they will certainly do harm, if they are obsessed with the desire of going back to the seed or even to the first youth of the plant when it was (as they imagine) pretty and unafflicted by evils.

The professor is speaking here of Roman Catholicism, but it's an interesting reflection on religion in general and I think it could be quite applicable to Paganism.

Date: Apr. 2nd, 2017 03:08 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] caraven
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It's one of the reasons most recon attempts haven't really worked for me, and, as I think about it, there's something rather "protestant" about them? I just started reading Caroline Wise's _Finding Elen: The Quest for Elen of the Ways_, and I find myself thinking, "Oh, interesting--deer/fae/spirit/goddess/etc."--a figure probably emerging out of land and reindeer and migration paths with links to sovereignty & other things in places--but I find the attempts to paint Elen as some kind of "Primordial Mother Goddess" in a totalizing gesture to be guilty of the same kind of thinking that infests Christianity and much of Paganism.

I've encountered the argument that *folk* Catholicism is where paganism continued on in some way (with an emphasis on "catholic" in its "universal" sense), but while I find that argument useful and interesting for trying to recover Stuff (rather than reconstructing some lost originary), I'm resistant to much of the symbolic and spiritual baggage that comes with those continuations? It's like, okay, Saint Eluned--but I could just point at Luned instead?

Date: Apr. 7th, 2017 09:58 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] mme_starstuff
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Oooh, I quite like this, thank you. Definitely resonates with some of my problems with strict reconstructionism of the type where academic credentialism ossifies a spirituality into a historic theatre thesis.

Date: Apr. 1st, 2017 02:41 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] boiwondering.livejournal.com
As always, Prof. Tolkien is on the ball. Then again, he spent a tremendous amount of time thinking about the Church, and about his own relationship to it. Your point about the relevance of this quotation to modern Paganism (or polytheism, or what-have-you) is intriguing, and one I worry will be lost on folks for whom "purity" is the key virtue of spiritual praxis.

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