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Should we worry about soya in our food?

Side question of articles like this, though - so, you can't eat soy, AND you can't eat meat, AND you can't... so what's left to eat? Everything kills, these days, it seems.

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Breathing kills you too, don't forget.

I pretty much decided the best response is fuck it.

"Breathing kills you too, don't forget."

Nowadays, unfortunately, yes. ("kills" as in "accelerates death", as opposed to the slightly silly meaning of "you're dying anyway from the moment you're born, no matter what you do") And drinking water, and and and...

We should just eat nothing! Down with food!

... wait, that doesn't work...

Up with Food! GO Bulemia!
Up with Anorexia! Go Team Ethiopia!

The benefits of a permanent starvation diet should be inherently obvious.

The benefits of a permanent starvation diet should be inherently obvious.

http://www.vhemt.org/ ?

Now, they don't advocate people killing themselves. That just creates bodies.

I believe that everyone who worries too much about their food should simply not eat food. It solves the problem, and leaves me with delicious, delicious chilli dogs.

Everything in moderation. Soy has been used in Asia for centuries and they're not having problems.

I would be concerned about heavily processed soy in processed foods, and the amount of illegal soy farming in the amazon (which is for livestock feed not human consumption)

Nevertheless, even as a vegan I do limit myself to only a few servings of soy a week.

"Everything in moderation. Soy has been used in Asia for centuries and they're not having problems. I would be concerned about heavily processed soy in processed foods..."

Apparently one of the major factors is whether the bean is processed enough, as odd as that may sound. Fermentation or similar processes (as for the preparation of miso or tofu) apparently decreases the problematic compounds, and it's the consumption of raw- or near-raw products (pressed oil, the leftover cake, soy flour, and actually, soy milk too) that is an issue.

funny, I didn't think of fermentation as processing!

==+Well, you know my opinion on soy...(grins)

===There are multiple problems with modern soy...one of which is that it is not fermented properly.

===I would have no problem with soy being out there, if it were not in EVERYTHING.

Well, you know my opinion on soy...(grins)

:P :)

one of which is that it is not fermented properly

Yeah, I think that was in the article... that tofu, tempeh, miso, actually really really brewed soy sauce, etc. are not so much the problem, partly because they are fermented and also partly because they are not eaten in huge, huge quantity, but rather the large amounts of soybean oil, leftover soy meal and protein, etc. that are worked into every other damn thing on the shelf that are the problem.

Does make me worry a bit about vegans, though, who often rely on the soybean for a lot of their protein, and of course large scale use of soymilk. It's like dude, what's left besides raw-vegan/paleo?

No, soy is not good for you. Healthy omnivorous diets are what we are intended to eat. The entire idea of "meat substitutes" is as ridiculous as the idea of stopping the eating of meat altogether.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. That's a very unbalanced article, towards the scare-mongering side.

The same isoflavones that are claimed to cause thyroid problems are *also* claimed to help prevent cancer. Soybean oil contains far more omega 3 acid than most vegetable oil, so I don't see the point of scaring people with its omega 6 content, unless you want to remind people that it *is* an oil and still should be used sparingly. Soy hormonal impact is very limited per most research, and the research that says otherwise is controversial and as yet unproven.

Anything you consume, there's a scare group out there making noise about it. Fuck them.

I think so long as people are eating actual food, there's no problem. At least no problem with the fooding aspect of people's lives.

I dunno.. if everyone wer actually eating "actual food" (I think I know what you mean by this), maybe some other problems would go away as well.

Quite possibly. I rather strongly believe that proper diet and sufficient exercise ('sufficient exercise' usually being defined as 'kung fu') would solve most of the problems people have.

I'm imagining that after this kind of research becomes more widely tested and applied, there'll be more industrial application of advanced fermentation and we won't have to worry any more. Or, well, I hope so!

That said, eat lentils, people! My family's lived on a meat-free diet for generations, and not a soy product to be found. Legumes are the way of the future.

Your people are getting B12 from animal products, somewhere down the line. They don't have to eat meat, but they are eating eggs, drinking milk, eating choose, something.

Legumes are not by themselves enough. There is no way to get everything you need from legumes.

Ramen, sans flavor packet

Obviously sans flavour packet, that's MSG. The noodles are processed refined wheat flour though. BZZT! Also non-edible.

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